Episode 15: Adapting Your Authenticity Without Putting on a Mask feat. Claudia Smith

Claudia offers such vulnerable insight into her journey of being able to adapt her authentic self in times when needed while still being her authentic self. Have you ever been told you're too aggressive, too 'loud', too shy, too quiet? The conversation is important to adjust communication and cooperation to enable more successful collaborations. Self-awareness and observation of other’s receptivity are great foundations for authenticity adaptability.

Angela McCourt 0:00
Let's get ready for some serious shift. This is a podcast shifting Inside Out hosted by your quantum shifter Angela McCourt, we are diving into ways to empower and enable a quantum shift. Inspiring topics hacks and guest speakers take us on a journey around authenticity, challenging status quo, personal power and living a purpose filled life.

So often we find ourselves trying to show up in our authentic skin in the workplace, and only to basically be told you're too aggressive or you're too quiet, or you need to speak up or you're speaking too loudly. And it just seems like it's really challenging sometimes to not only feel like you're showing up in your authentic skin, but to do it in a way that is received well without putting on the mask and not bringing your true authentic self into the workplace. And what I love about this episode with Claudia Smith, is how she has not only built self awareness over the years, but also built an adaptive style to her authenticity, that can be adjusted depending on who she's working with, and who she's talking to. And also how some of those great skills that we bring in, and great pieces of our personality that we bring into the workplace are really, really needed for certain jobs. And when we work with others who may not necessarily need those types of skills, that is where adapting our authenticity can work really well for us because we need to be able to collaborate, everybody is different. Everybody has their own way and style of doing things and we do want people to show up authentically, but sometimes there is a bit of adjustment and adapting that we need to do and this episode really outlines that very well. I'd love to hear your thoughts on this episode. As you listen. You can find me on LinkedIn at Angie belts McCourt on Instagram at Angie underscore McCourt or on Twitter at McCourt, Angie. So without further ado, let's hear from Claudia.

Claudia, welcome to shifting inside out. I'm so grateful to have you on this episode. To get started. Why don't you introduce yourself?

Claudia Smith 2:36
Okay, so my name is Claudia Smith. I've been in the United States for quite more than half of my life lava here, got to me Engie attack data, which was an amazing, she was an amazing mentor. And I'm just very, very happy to be here and be able to be part of her podcast.

Angela McCourt 2:59
Awesome. Very good. And you're very, you're very talented. So I'm hoping that we get into a lot of your journey along the way that you found as we get into the podcast. Awesome. All right, so let's do a quick round of questions so that the listeners can get to know you a little bit. So first one is what is your morning ritual or routine.

Claudia Smith 3:21
I am a person that absolutely loves routine. And I like it to be the same every morning. I sometimes don't break out of that myself. But I like to wake up it's my coffee. I go around picking up things in the house. I make my breakfast and I sit down to work. I work from home I've been working from home the past five years. I absolutely love it some people don't but I love because I have to produce more having the freedom to be able to go you know get my breakfast when I want got a cup of coffee you want I want if my hair is up, man, and I don't have makeup I feel when we're relaxed they think

Angela McCourt 4:07
Yeah. Oh, that's awesome. I love it. How do you renew your energy?

Claudia Smith 4:13
That you know each person doesn't want to wait to me it's exercise. I absolutely love exercising you know? And I tell people Mac would be drinking every night and a lot of people do to deal with the stress No, but I tried to not exercise kind of gives me the same high in in a better way. Right and I keep the alcohol for the weekend. Exercising is the way that I really you know maintain my sanity on a on a day to day basis and I think on the weekend if I can get some time for myself. Layout reading a book in my backyard is amazing. Some people want to be out and about I could sit down by myself They reading a book and it's like, I don't have to do anything for anybody.

Angela McCourt 5:04
Yes, yes. I love it. That's one of my real rechargers too is reading and just being by myself. Yep. So what is your guilty pleasure?

Claudia Smith 5:15
My guilty pleasure is wine and chocolate. I know it's very like common all women say that. But I think just on the weekend having your glass of wine and just enjoying family and listening to music very loud. That's that's kind of my guilty pleasure. Mm hmm. That's another one is, you know, I try to be very healthy most of the times by I feel like I if I'm play hard work hard. Yeah, yeah. I'm discipline up to a point. But I have to have my rewards.

Angela McCourt 5:53
Mm hmm. Okay, that's awesome. And your sweets and I love the fact that you are okay with that. Like, it's, I work hard, I work out, I do these things. But it's so I can have my sweets and not myself. You know, because I think when we deprive ourselves, makes us very unhappy,

Claudia Smith 6:12
very unhappy. And that with age, I Yeah. Or I would continue to deprive myself from now. It's more of a balance of okay, I can do that every day. Because also, it would make me very unhappy and cranky. When I don't eat well, I'm cranky, I don't sleep well. Mm hmm. But on the other hand, if I'm healthy all the time, and I don't ever have a break, I'd be very unhappy and cranky. Balance in which, you know, it's not just for the look, that's for how I feel when I don't eat well, I feel bad. You know, yeah. But if I don't have that time on the weekend, that it can be bad to the bone.

Angela McCourt 6:53
Yeah, that's so good that you figured that out for yourself, maybe some of the listeners will be like, Okay, I gotta, I gotta get myself a little bit of a break and just go, go enjoy myself a bit. Yeah. That's awesome. Okay, so, I would love for you to share your journey. One of the things I've always really just admired about you and loved about your energy, and how you show up in the workplace is your authenticity. And it's not always easy to bring our true selves and to be in our own skin. And, you know, in in that environment, where everybody's in the box, and everybody's, you know, trying to conform, because we're all trying to get promoted and trying to do all these things. And I always admired you for, you know, really sticking to who you were. And in even when you felt that disconnect, you you recognize that you said, no, no, this is not this is not for me, or I, this is how I'm going to show up regardless, right? So I would love for you to share with our listeners, your journey and just, you know, what was that journey to be able to bring your true self into the workplace and maybe even into personal life as well. That would be awesome.

Claudia Smith 8:12
Absolutely. And I and I thank you for the opportunity. Because it's, it's been a while that I've felt I could help others a little bit with this, because my journey was very interesting when I, you know, came to the United States and started working at Tech Data right off the bat. You know, I had to learn the language while I was working, they are in the same time learn to play the game. And I know that I've always been, you know, very smart, intelligent and go getter, but I also have a lot of insecurities that come with not just being young, but mangrove being in another country in another culture. And I didn't have an education at the time, right. And Tech Data was very big in education. But I've always also been very, I think the best way to describe is no, no nonsense, like I don't I wouldn't sit there and analyze a lot of things and I would be loud and I would do all these things that I never had an idea that I was doing but I never thought I never had things in my mind like I'm a woman I won't be able to get there. You know, I wasn't I didn't grow up with that. Anybody putting that in my mind so I didn't see that or if your accent is different to you, you might have difficulties not have that had been in my mind. So I think you know, with the culture in anywhere you go here in the United States much better now. But you know, you start being called aggressive or you know, I got a lot of that when I was younger, you're too aggressive or you're too abrasive and and When I started learning in putting connecting the dots that, you know, a lot of times the way that I showed up my authenticity would not get me to where I wanted to be, you know, depending on the environment. But at the end of the day, the most important thing that anybody has to do is show up for themselves, you know, when I tried to play the game and be different was not only the most miserable part of my life, on a career, as well, you know, but I didn't achieve what I wanted, because he wasn't me. You know, I had completely different results. And, and the journey was long, it was years and years and years until I learned it. And I really learned that when I was removed from the environment, right?

Wow, I was in that environment, like you said, you know, and hit the nail, and everybody's being groomed, I gotta grow, I got to get to the next promotion, I got to get to the next place. I got to be. And then in that process, you forget what you really want, right? Yeah, no, the process of, you know, always thinking about the next promotion, I got to be management, I got to go to be a director, I got to have a, you know, I have, I got to have this name, beside my title beside my name. But you forget what makes you happy, right? And then when you get removed from it, either you're laid off or something happens, whatever it is, and you have time to analyze what makes you happy? You know, what, really, what do I want? It's not what the company wants me to think, or my peers, but what do I want and and when you start honoring that, and when you start just being happy with that, and without having to be like anybody else, you know, the game changes completely, you know, and what I've learned, and I think that's the best lesson that I learned in my life, and this is you got to be there for yourself, you don't need to run anybody else's race. And if you run your race, the race that makes you happy, you're going to be successful, you're not going to need to be in any title need to be on the side of your name for you to lead you lead without having to have a title because you're showing up for yourself more than anybody else. Right. And I think it took me a while to realize it. But that was a very funny conversations. So I work in a company nowadays that has a lot of engineering, but it's not a sales engineer is the engineers engineers, you know, and a lot of times they are very different than than me, right? I depend on them for my work. And I was dealing with this male, a guy who is amazing. He's an amazing professional, but him and I have a completely different communication skills. Right. He's very, to the point I will want to talk and I don't understand I want you to tell me what to work with me. So Rhonda Allen that up like, you know what, let's get on a call and let's talk about why we're not communicating good. And then he's like, Claudia, you were, you know, very aggressive. And I was like, you know, yeah, and I'm not gonna change. Like, it's, I'm comfortable with that. And I'm uncomfortable with saying, you know, I know sometimes I have to step down a little bit from it, but that is not the time or I feel good with it. And I'm not gonna change I gotta find a way where I'm gonna, I'm not taking that personally anymore. Is is who I am and nobody's going to change that and I'm okay with it. That's what I told him I'm like, you know, a lot of my success is thankful to me being very aggressive and it's that's why I'm so good in sales. So I'm not changing that now. Yes, I have to curb that sometimes in a way that I'm talking to people so we can get the results or one so it's it's this is just part of starting accept who you are and accept how that can be a path for success or a path for your you know, and how you manage your strengths and your weaknesses and how never be anybody else. You know, be AMG I won't be you know how they're Marie who was my my other no mentor love. I will be Claudia. And if I try try to be anybody else, I've never been successful and I have to be also happy with here we're mad. I think when when I was a Tech Data I was groomed to always want you know, to be that next step. To be today, when I'm talking to my boss was fantastic. I mean, I love him, or his boss for that matter. And if we're talking promotion, I'm like, I don't need to have a title just pay me more. Basically, the title ain't gonna do nothing for me the money will,

ya know, and be happier, because I'm not trying to do something that, at least right now is not right for my life. Right? Yeah, you know, you don't need to manage anybody to be successful and make money, you don't need to be a director or VP, not saying that it's not the right thing for somebody else, you know, some people are so good, they have the gift, there, they are going to be like you, they are going to be inspiring others in that position, and having the ability to be there and bring people up is great. But it's not great for me at this time, maybe all my kids are out of the house. And it's another different life. But right now I'm like, pay me more. That's awesome. And and this has been the best thing that's ever happened to me, because I freed myself from what other people expected of me. And I got there into what I expect of me. And it really made me wildly successful. Having better relationships with the folks that work with me. And at the end of the day, I became more of a leader than I was when I had a senior manager title because you're just good or you're doing or you're just enjoying it more. You know what I mean? You don't have to, you don't have to be anything to anybody else. Yeah, you want respect because you learn how to respect others, but you don't have to put yourself in a position you don't want to be in, you know, to follow some rule that somebody made that, you know, you have to be a go getter. You can be a go getter and be in multiple different you can be a go getter and be you know, I'm happy and being at home taking care of my baby. Yeah, it all depends on what makes you happy. And and that is different as you age. Right? Yes. 20 year old getting into the workforce may be like, No, I want to get to this point, you know, and they are young, and they are full of life, you know, and then they have their first baby or something like, you know, then things change throughout life. And you got to be okay with it, too. You know, it's it was, I wouldn't be here today, if I wasn't there yesterday. You know, I do wish I had learned some of this earlier. I think that a lot of you know, what I seeds in the world, we're always trying to push the pendulum or yeah, here we go here. So we as women fought so hard all our lives to have a freedom. But I feel like we put ourselves in a spot that we don't have that freedom either way, right? We didn't. We came from I don't want to be in the kitchen and cleaning and mothering people to now I got to be this high level executive traveling all over the world, but also not, it's not satisfying. Right. So I think we have to put ourselves in a position where yes, I want to have some freedoms. Mm hmm. What is freedom? is freedom being locked up in an airplane every day without being around your family? Without having time? Maybe for some? Right? Yeah, yeah. So we have to bring ourselves more to the middle of this. Where there is, you know, some of the things that we are doing that are satisfying to us, and we're not doing it because we're conditioned, that we need to be this or we need to be that, you know, yeah, this just comes with age, but I wish if I could tell some to the young girls that are coming up, is pursue something that makes you happy. And I can be that can be being an airplane 24 hours a day, every day. And that can be being a mom all day long. And that can be being the middle of the road, you know, but don't don't let others dictate where you're going to go because it is just not satisfying and you lose really lose a lot of time and they you could be enjoying things and pursuing things that you didn't want to begin with. Yeah, yeah. You know, yeah. Yeah.

Angela McCourt 19:48
It's interesting how our wants and desires to shift and change over time for sure. Oh, yeah. It is. I think I think you're hitting on something that the great resignation is Isn't capturing appropriately for on behalf of women is that women are evolving just like men are. But women are evolving in a way that is becoming, what is my meaning? What am I doing that's meaningful? Mm hmm. And I think it's becoming this sense of it's becoming this, this sense of I need this more than anything else. Yeah. And it's also because we don't know what to do with it, we don't understand it, we're not sure what's driving us, we're not sure what's pushing us to say, I got to get out of this work that I'm doing because this is not fulfilling me. We don't know how to handle it. We don't know how to solve it yet, because we're still in the evolution of of really unleashing. And really what it's coming down to is unleashing the skills that we need to be able to do what we're meant to be able to do. And to be able to solve for this. And you know, right now, it's this sense of loss. It's a sense of loss of identity. I hear this a lot. And it's also this unhappiness, because we're stuck. And stuck is the word, we're blocked. And we're stuck. And this is where the great resignation isn't really capturing what's really going on with women. And it will continue for at least a couple of years. And it's this isn't just about COVID. This is the opening. This isn't just an awakening, this is the opening for many people, men and women to go on their evolution journey, and to really discover what they really, really want out of life and connect with that in a different way.

Claudia Smith 21:48
Yeah, people have they were forced to take a break. Yeah, right. They were forced to take a break. And that's the only time that we as humans grow. It's one something happens, you know, we hear that all the time when something bad happens, you learn a lesson, you always come out better. And I think nobody was having that break, unless it was, you know, one time life event. But this time everybody had, at the same time, your forehead, the point where you had to face where you're doing. Yeah, and you were

Angela McCourt 22:21
in the mirror. And you were forced to slow down like this is what this is what enabled the awakening, because not everybody had a bad experience with everything right opening I should say, not every I had a great experience, I finally got to shift away from a two to three hour commute a day a job that I was no longer satisfied and didn't align with my values. There, there was a lot of change that many people have gone through, that is actually been really good for them. They were desiring it so deeply. And it happened in this way because of this, but what it did for everyone was it slowed everyone down. And when we slow down, guess what we connect with ourselves? Exactly. We're not distracted by doing Yeah, you have

Claudia Smith 23:05
to me was was, obviously was a terrible thing, right? Because a lot of people experienced loss, and then we had so much division, you know, but I think I worked through the entire time I was already home. So my life changed very little compared to you know, a lot of people that had to change their life completely. But I could relate because when I was unemployed, I had to slow down, you don't come out of that, you know, day to day where you're working 24 hours a day and worried and stress. And in a certain way, it's like that because you don't have any income. But on the other side is like, oh my god, it's so nice to be able to slow down and take a walk with my dogs out and about anything and take a walk with my kids and go to the park and do things that you don't allow yourself to do, but you're always wanting in the back of your mind. Right. And I think that everybody that's had that awakening needs to go look for something that's going to be a little better for them. And, you know, working from home has been incredibly, incredibly good for me. You know, it's not for everybody. It is for me the same thing you're saying is being able to be here and see my kids more often. It's It's the ability to get the job done without having someone looking over your shoulder all the time. And distractions. Yeah, yeah, you know, and it's guilty of not having to put your makeup everyday and I haven't done so many things that I feel so much more relaxed about that I wasn't relaxed before because you're always I gotta get clothes. I gotta get my high heels. I gotta beat the drive there. I got any you bring it all in and it's like okay, I can focus on this If I need to, you know, go to Publix in five minutes and come back with something I can do that I don't have to tell anybody, although I do tell my boss out of respect, and he's very good. It's like, if you get your stuff done, yeah, pretty much I don't care, which makes me even want to do more. So yeah, he

Angela McCourt 25:18
doesn't cuz he trusts you, and you appreciate that trust, because not everybody has had trust from their leadership for a very long time. And so when you find someone that trusts you, that is so precious. Yes,

Claudia Smith 25:31
yes. But but, you know, just going back to our topic, I think that we're talking very important is, you know, for the young girls, or for the older women that are also in the workforce is just do you everybody has to work more or less nowadays, because of your finance, finances, right? You can have a household more than one person only, it's very difficult. Yeah. So if you're gonna be in that position, that you have to do something, do something that pleases you don't do it. Because you know, you grow up and a corporation is telling you, they have to go to the next step, what is next up for you? It may be, you know, something like that. It's different for everybody. And it's gonna be different into different stages. But to be authentic, you've got to just show up for yourself and then recognize you have, you know, weaknesses, and you have strains, and then how do you manage those, you know, it's not being ashamed of them is how you manage? Like I said, being aggressive is the same time a weakness and a strength and a strength, yes, sit there and really balance how, how can I utilize that in the different ways that it's not going to be a detriment to my relationships, but at the same time, it's going to help me, you know, be number one and do the things that I want to do. So it's being authentic is showing up for yourself, and understanding who you are, and accepting that and accepting that you're not going to be that other colleague that is, you know, maybe he's in a much higher position than you. But when you really sit down and think, would it be happy if I achieved that? Because a lot of times, we don't ask that question, because we're just focused on getting to that place? Would I be happy? Would it be like satisfied? And a lot of times, you're gonna say, No, I would not. Now, if I had the salary, doing what I'm doing. Yeah, salary to be happy? Yes. Yeah. We women have been conditioned to that. And we've heard from a couple of very, you know, women of their own thought that the most important thing is making money. Yeah, and don't do this for your health. So you know, and I've, I've come to that I think more with age, there is always I believe, I'll be growing until the day I die. But you know, you're happier to show up for yourself to you're happier when you accept who you are where you like, because then you're not doing things for other people. You're doing things out of pleasure, and you want to achieve that you want to. And I think the second thing to be happy is what we're talking about before we started the podcast is slowing down even in your day to day near job because yeah, when I get into the I'm going to do everything at the same time. I'm not happy at the end of the week, because I feel like I didn't do anything. I work 12 hours a day. So it is like we got to slow down to and kind of look at the everything that we have in front of us. Not everything is urgent. Yes, we make it as everything is urgent. Manana is is it really urgent, like when you're in a sales position, I have have to put myself in a spot of asking, Do I need to deal with all these little things that are coming through? Or should I be focusing on my calls? Should it be focusing on creating the this project this QBR talking about the strategy and when I slow down and kind of focus on the things that are more sales related, I'm more successful and more satisfied at the end of the day than when I tried to answer every meal that came in my inbox. So mean a whole lot at that point. They could have waited a couple more days. Yeah, you know, so I think true making blocks like blocks of time like you said, you know, blocking, okay for these two hours out then two. For these two hours. I'm going to work on this project for this two hours, I'm going to make calls, then you have a much better time. If you do get to the end of the day and say, you know, it was a pretty productive day.

Angela McCourt 30:05
Yeah. It's it's also the attention that you give something so deeply, is going to turn out even better than if you're all over the place multitasking. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome. I love the fact that you were very in your story, very much talking about adaptability and authenticity, right. Some situations, some people, you know, there's, but it's, but it's not even just about the authentic self, it is the communication skills. So how you share your ideas, how you connect with others, you know, it's not always on our terms, it's got to be in cooperation, you know, with with someone else, and I just loved how you showcased in your story, their adaptability along the way and shared some examples. So that would that was really, really great, because we haven't really gotten into that. And I think that's a, that's a very important piece, when we talk about showing up as our authentic self. So thank you for sharing that.

Claudia Smith 31:15
No, absolutely. And I, you know, it's, it's important for everybody to know that you are going to have bad, not bad things, but you're going to have things that are weaknesses that can, you know, impact your day to day relationships are work and you want to be you want to have good relationships, because everybody's working. Everybody's trying to do the best if you always look, take the emotion out of it, you see that everybody's trying to do the best that they can do. Yeah, you know, so when you have those conversations, or even want to have that conversation, that was kind of enlightening to me, I didn't even know that I already felt like that was like, I know why I am aggressive. verbalize that, but also, you got to put yourself in the other person's shoes, you know, you have to try to work with them. And and that is one thing that I had to learn because I thought that they had to see it my way. And I stopped completely taking things personally, you know, a lot of times when I got either a criticism, or, you know, anything I try to, even if I want to react, I try to stop and like, you know, does is it like something that I really should look into? Or is it? Is it dumb, I don't deal with it, you know, I gotta sit down. And instead of reacting I list Yeah. And then even if I have to react to that later, for putting, yeah, there's a little box, and I'm gonna think about it. But I've learned, I've learned it's not an easy thing is the thing that you got to, like, put the effort into doing. But not everything that people tell you are, is is a bad thing, you know, we're gonna write them. And a lot of times, it has nothing to do with taking it personally has to do with whatever your project you are working. But we also need to remove ourselves a lot of times, from the emotion in the situation, to, you know, have the outcome that we're looking for. And this discipline, it's something that I'm going to be working for the rest of, you know, the rest of my life, because your first reaction is, oh, my god. Get ready. It's in every situation. And again, being being aggressive or even being shy, you're gonna run into things and people are going to tell you speak louder, or do you can take from it like, what is this person saying? And how could I benefit if I do this? And would it help me and my communication skills and getting the outcome I'm looking for? So how can I change it a little bit without losing myself? Yeah. And that's kind of, you know, how I've been trying to do it. It has worked, but I think it's going to be a work of art for the rest of my life. I'm going to have to train myself. But you feel happier because things don't get under your skin as much. Yeah, yeah. No, you don't, you know, react like it was a personal attack on me was a was an attack on how can we be more efficient? Or how can you know, like, that is something to look into this. The criticisms that come out as an opportunity to be better at something or to say, You know what, I think you're wrong at the end of this. You don't have to agree all times, but you do need to stop and think about what was sad. Yeah, because sometimes you benefit from it.

Angela McCourt 34:54
Yes. Learning, always learning. There's always learnings and everything interaction either you're supposed to give someone or they're supposed to give you. And when we can cut past the ego is when we can can typically identify with the learning for sure, yes. Oh, Claudia has been so awesome. I would love if you can share, I know that you have a lot of causes that you support, maybe just share two of those. And then I'll put the rest in the show notes for everyone else to look at and see if they would be also interested in doing some work with them.

Claudia Smith 35:31
Absolutely. So one that is near and dear to my heart is the kind mouse. They are a, they they provide meals to kids all over Pinellas County, there is more than 7000 kids that are going to school today without any food or they're living out of a car, their parents lost their job. You know, they are struggling and they can't feed their kids. And the kids are our future. Right they are the leaders are gonna come up. So you want to make sure that they have a way to get out of you know that the poverty and go to school and finish high school. So the kind Miles is amazing. I've been working with them and helping them for the past five years, I always give money to them. And you know, they they need volunteers to go in the pantry and help organize all the food. And they do a lot of awesome events, that everybody can have fun while doing something good for somebody else. And I do have St. Jude near and dear to my heart because I think you know what to play somewhere when you have your kids sick, or something. So, you know, devastating his cancer. And when you don't have to worry about the monetary piece of that, you know, when you know that all your kids needs are going to be taken care of and you can focus on helping them again, they're the future no parent should have to go through data have to worry about bills, you know, no, I think that's those are two big ones that you know, I do all love because it helps the kids.

Angela McCourt 37:18
Yeah. Oh, you have such a big heart. And I know you have more. So I will add those in the show notes. But yeah, thank you so much for sharing with us today. Just a beautiful soul and I just really I miss you. I miss you as

Claudia Smith 37:35
always go have a beer together in a beautiful house by the lake. I love that every time. We got to go spend a weekend and

Angela McCourt 37:45
it's all it should be done being renovated in the next couple months. We'll see.

Claudia Smith 37:51
Like a nice barbecue or bring some Brazilian meat.

Angela McCourt 37:55
Nice. Oh, that's

Claudia Smith 37:57
you know, Miss conversations. I want to thank you because you've always given to me you've always helped me be better. I think I've seen you groom so many people that are today so wildly happy and successful. You're an amazing person, you've always been a giver, and no matter you know what, what I thought I was amazing about you is that no matter how high you went, you're always a person that kept your authenticity. You know, I've seen you just you know. Yeah, front of men and just tell them as is very politely very strong. And you come down to the level of you know, someone that is just coming up and always wanting to make people under you grew and this is a gift nominee. You can do that. I cannot do that.

Angela McCourt 38:58
Yeah.

Claudia Smith 39:00
It takes take the person who will put their needs aside and look at the others and wanting to grow them and you're one of them. So

Angela McCourt 39:09
you're very sweet. Thank you so much Claudia. I appreciate

Unknown Speaker 39:12
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